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rick was talking about. he has to say i don't care about tax reform, i don't care about energy policy, i care about the well being of mom. pull it together. >> one of the great mysteries of this campaign, here is a guy with a splend it baid backgrounn bill clinton said that. why is he unable to connect on the key issue of the day, jobs and the economy with i'm going to say the average person out there? what is missing? >> he is superbly skilled at the details but that's not what americans care about. so keith wants to talk about details because that's a terrible strategy. he doesn't care about the details of tax reform. americans want to know how am i going to get a job? why is it i've been in a job for three years and i haven't gotten a raise. he needs to get away from the details and -- >> hang with me. just what can we expect to hear from mitt romney in tonight's debate? who better to ask than senior campaign manager kevin madden. thank you very much for helping us. you know, my friend keith boykin asked a very good question that's going to come up tonight or is likely to come toni
's the growth cyclicals. tech, energy, material, financials, consumer discretion. >> transports are getting killed. utilities are getting killed. >> the group that would be predicting a per future economy was predicting it today, up about 1% to does that surprise you? >> i don't buy it at all. >> so you think we're in a recession. >> we're heading to it. at this moment, we're sticking with cyclicals. >> gold and gold miners. >> you heard it, folks. very lively. great stuff. coming up, nasa's curiosity rover captures images of a stream bed on mars. the full story on that plus late breaking news headlines up next. now, that's what i call a test drive. silverado! the most dependable, longest lasting, full-size pickups on the road. so, what do you think? [ engine revs ] i'll take it. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now during chevy truck month, get 0% apr financing for 60 months or trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $8,000. hurry in before they're all gone! there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheap
/10 of 1%. that is flat . >> we had a run up in energy prices. >> heck ya. blame the fed. why are they cheapening the value of the dollar. >> larry that's another conversation. >> income is falling, joe. where are consumers going to spend? if information tors are going where they are going to hire. >> it looks like vehicle sales may have hit the high for the year in september. >> that's inflation, joe. >> here's the point i want to make on the stall speed if you take the first half of the year we averaged 1.7% growth. that's not much but it is potential because we under invested in the cycle, potential growth is very low. >> this is the most pathetic economic recovery. >> he is more bearish than i am. >> you are so far below potential growth right now. this is the worst recovery. i don't know fit is recovery and every time i get optimistic i get a spade of numbers that tell me not to be so optimistic. i want to be optimistic but i will tell you, 1.3, what is that? not recovery. thank you. you are both terrific. >>> four years in to president obama's term we should be in recove
, but i've got to tell you, we got a growth plan including the tax cuts at the energy plan, the trade, we're talking $12 million over ten years. it's a powerful plan. and the governor's message and including the tax reform piece of it that's going to lower the transaction costs of the code and contribute to growth. and the message is received. he will continue doing all that. but he's going to talk about -- >> i'm not a happy camper. i'm not a happy camper. >> it's half your value, larry. >> it's not about you, but you know my views. anyway, thank you. i'm sorry i interrupted. i know you worked hard to get on the set and help us tonight. i totally apologize for my interruption. >> not at all. >> jim talent, and now a senior economic adviser with the romney campaign. i thank you. i thank you. >> thank you, larry. >> let's get reaction from our panel who i hope heard that little discussion. ed rendell is back, former dnc chairman, former pennsylvania governor. american enterprise institute fellow, former george w. bush speech writer. ed rendell, if i may, you must have loved hearing that. m
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